[XCSSA] thanks on use of DD

Thu, 4 Jan 2007 22:10:57 -0600

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Thanks I'll give this a try and will probable be asking for more help down
the road (I hope not).  As for why I am doing this I am in need of something
to keep my mind occupied while I am quitting smoking.  It's kind of like
keeping my hands busy with something instead of smoking or stuffing my face
with candy or other junk food.  It seems to be working so far I have only
had light craving for junk food and candy,  but the urge for a smoke is
still hard to ignore.  I haven't broken yet, I think it's from the fact that
I am concentrating on the computers and I tend to zone in on it and block
out everything else out so it's been a week now and no Smoking so far.  If
it takes me all year to figure it out then so be it,  but I do like to see
progress on my projects just the same.

Robert

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To: xcssa@xcssa.org

Subject: Re: [XCSSA] DD how di I use it?????

Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 22:37:13 -0600

From: xcssa-admin@xcssa.org

Reply-To: xcssa@xcssa.org

On Wednesday 03 January 2007 19:19, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote:

> How do I use the DD command in FC6 and is there a file that I need with
it.

> I have the n2200.img file but I don't know how to extract it,

dd stands for "convert and copy"..?  :v/ Strange.. I know.

hehe..  Actually the dd command predates Winzip, zip and even Microsoft
Windows. :)

In short.. it's just a raw method of cloning files.  And in UN*X/Linux,
since devices (like floppy drives and hard drives) are all files within the
OS (e.g. /dev/floppy and /dev/cdrom), you can "dd" device files to real
files.  

For example, to dd (copy) a CF boot card to an image file for later use, you
would boot off CD (such as knoppix), and then hook up the CD card and clone
it like this.. 

      dd if=/dev/hda of=/tmp/clone-of-hda.img

In the opposite direction.... you can "dd" real files back to the device
files like this:

      dd if=/tmp/clone-of-ha.img of=/dev/dha

> and is there

> a way to do this with windows XP

No, not natively.  You need one of several add on programs.  One popular way
that Linux geeks like is by installing Cygwin (a full GNU/Linux install that
gives you Linux on Windows).  But if that's more than you want to mess
with.. 

then here's a stand alone Win32 flavor of "dd" for doing CF cards, hard
drives, etc:

      http://www.chrysocome.net/dd

There's a GUI tool for doing dd-like functions called "rawwrite", but it
only handles floppy images last I heard:

      http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite

> I would like these two Netvista's that I have be able to use a windows as

> the machine that will do most of the work is a windows 2000 machine.  I

> here that win CE can be used on these but I think that I need a bit more

> info befor I can come to that conclusion . 

WinCE is usually compiled for very specific platform architectures (last I 

checked).  I'm not sure if there's some "open" way of putting it on the 

NetVista.. but last I checked, WinCE was pretty tightly closed and not very 

transplant-able (usually build by MS developers for alternate processors
like 

MIPS, ARM, etc). That being said.. a lot of people HAVE used WinPE for doing

this type of thing (e.g. getting windows on a small embedded device like 

this), although I have not myself.  More example info here:

      http://www.msfn.org/board/lofiversion/index.php/t14316.html

> any help is welcome any ideas 

> are even more welcome.

The first question you should always ask is:

-What do I want to do?

and then

-What technologies are I comfortable using to do them... or what
technologies 

would I not mind trying out to get the job done?

Then go from there.

Tweeks

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Thanks I&#8217;ll =
give this
a try and will probable be asking for more help down the road (I hope =
not).&nbsp; As
for why I am doing this I am in need of something to keep my mind =
occupied
while I am quitting smoking.&nbsp; It&#8217;s kind of like keeping my =
hands busy
with something instead of smoking or stuffing my face with candy or =
other junk
food.&nbsp; It seems to be working so far I have only had light craving =
for junk
food and candy,&nbsp; but the urge for a smoke is still hard to =
ignore.&nbsp; I haven&#8217;t
broken yet, I think it&#8217;s from the fact that I am concentrating on =
the
computers and I tend to zone in on it and block out everything else out =
so it&#8217;s
been a week now and no Smoking so far.&nbsp; If it takes me all year to =
figure it
out then so be it,&nbsp; but I do like to see progress on my projects =
just the same.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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[XCSSA] DD how
di I use it?????<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Date: Wed, 3 Jan =
2007
22:37:13 -0600<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>From: =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Reply-To: =
xcssa@xcssa.org<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>On Wednesday 03 =
January 2007
19:19, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; How do I use =
the DD
command in FC6 and is there a file that I need with =
it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; I have the =
n2200.img
file but I don't know how to extract it,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

dd stands for =
&quot;convert
and copy&quot;..?&nbsp; :v/ Strange.. I =
know.<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

hehe..&nbsp; =
Actually the dd
command predates Winzip, zip and even Microsoft Windows. =
:)<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

In short.. it's =
just a raw
method of cloning files.&nbsp; And in UN*X/Linux, since devices (like =
floppy drives
and hard drives) are all files within the OS (e.g. /dev/floppy and =
/dev/cdrom),
you can &quot;dd&quot; device files to real files.&nbsp; =
<o:p></o:p>

For example, to dd =
(copy) a
CF boot card to an image file for later use, you would boot off CD (such =
as
knoppix), and then hook up the CD card and clone it like this.. =
<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; dd if=3D/dev/hda
of=3D/tmp/clone-of-hda.img<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

In the opposite
direction.... you can &quot;dd&quot; real files back to the device files =
like
this:<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; dd
if=3D/tmp/clone-of-ha.img of=3D/dev/dha<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; and is =
there<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; a way to do =
this with
windows XP<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

No, not =
natively.&nbsp; You need
one of several add on programs.&nbsp; One popular way that Linux geeks =
like is by
installing Cygwin (a full GNU/Linux install that gives you Linux on =
Windows).&nbsp;
But if that's more than you want to mess with.. =
<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>then here's a stand =
alone
Win32 flavor of &quot;dd&quot; for doing CF cards, hard drives, =
etc:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a
href=3D"http://www.chrysocome.net/dd">http://www.chrysocome.net/dd</a><o:=
p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>There's a GUI tool =
for doing
dd-like functions called &quot;rawwrite&quot;, but it only handles =
floppy
images last I heard:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a
href=3D"http://www.chrysocome.net/rawwrite">http://www.chrysocome.net/raw=
write</a><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; I would like =
these two
Netvista's that I have be able to use a windows =
as<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; the machine =
that will
do most of the work is a windows 2000 machine.&nbsp; =
I<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; here that win =
CE can be
used on these but I think that I need a bit =
more<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

&gt; info befor I =
can come
to that conclusion . <o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>WinCE is usually =
compiled
for very specific platform architectures (last I =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>checked).&nbsp; I'm =
not sure if
there's some &quot;open&quot; way of putting it on the =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

NetVista.. but last =
I
checked, WinCE was pretty tightly closed and not very =
<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>transplant-able =
(usually
build by MS developers for alternate processors like =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

MIPS, ARM, etc). =
That being
said.. a lot of people HAVE used WinPE for doing =
<o:p></o:p>

this type of thing =
(e.g.
getting windows on a small embedded device like =
<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>this), although I =
have not
myself.&nbsp; More example info here:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a
href=3D"http://www.msfn.org/board/lofiversion/index.php/t14316.html">http=
://www.msfn.org/board/lofiversion/index.php/t14316.html</a><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; any help is =
welcome any
ideas <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>&gt; are even more =
welcome.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>The first question =
you
should always ask is:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>-What do I want to =
do?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>and =
then<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

-What technologies =
are I
comfortable using to do them... or what technologies =
<o:p></o:p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>would I not mind =
trying out
to get the job done?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Then go from =
there.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'text-autospace:none'><font size=3D2 =
face=3D"Courier New"><span
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