[XCSSA] DarkFiber: U Already Paided 2.5 times, DarkFibre was: AT&T IPTV
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On 6/11/07, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org <xcssa-admin@xcssa.org> wrote:
>
> > When you start paying $250
> > to $750 per month for "T1 or better" service, a surprising
> > amount of bandwidth magically appears in you neighborhood.
>
> I thought T1 was old telecom technology, 1.5 mbits/sec, not much
> better than 128Kbytes/sec.
Yes, but that is SYNCHRONOUS bandwidth. Often they also tie uptime SLAs to
the "T1 or better" moniker.
Last week, on my standard Road Runner service, I noticed I was
> getting 800Kbytes/sec on a series of 30-150Mb downloads. Wouldn't
> that be equivalent to about 6 T1's? Last night, however, I was only
> getting about 500Kbytes/sec. A slower computer maxes out at
> 128Kbytes/sec on the same line.
I only get 1Mb upload on "Turbo RR" I have not found a better than 1Mb:XMb
UP:DOWN provider that does not jump to "Business Class" or "T1-or-better"
service levels. RR (and most other "Residential") is "Best Effort" service,
no guarantees for uptime/performance.
Because of high price for Road Runner I've been thinking of switching
> to DSL which is advertised to be much cheaper, and it is said that
> DSL bandwidth is comparable to cable now.
For the "Residential" user it looks like there is 768Kb : 6Mb "Elite"
package. As I am a data producer as well as consumer, I need a much higher
UL speed, and I am happy with any DL > 5Mb.
Even their SMB DSL bandwidth rates are the same, just with higher price /
higher SLA levels.
Grande was out in my neighborhood apparently installing fiber last
> year, but their packages look pretty similar to Time Warner, so I
> don't see that it did performance-minded customers any good. I'm not
> going to switch ISP to save $5, but I might do it to cut my bill in
> less than half. I'm also disinclined to bundle my phone service over
> cable; I get about 3 cable outages every year,
Lower SLA.
but last phone outage that I know of was about 15 years ago.
Hence Higher phone costs/fees/etc.
Current providers seem more
> interested in bundling extra services I don't want than in giving me
> high value internet bandwidth only.
Yep. Most consumers do not see a real difference (hence pay for) in higher
rate services, and do not have high upload throughput demands, where as
there is demand for those services (TV/Phone/Cell) and the providers want
that revenue.
As a fellow exception (no demand for "Premium" TV or Local Phone) I feel
your pain. The only "Better than T1" service I could get was RR Business
class 2M:5M @ $290/mo. My T1 at work that does 13 Phone lines (12 PRI) /
1.5Mb = $650/mo. I think a "Full Span" T1 for data would run ~$375-400.
I would love FTTH or other "Light" solutions to my house, but I am not in a
newer upscale neighborhood where the developer realized that cost for
initial cable burial is roughly the same for COAX/TP as it is for Fiber,
since labor is the expense in the cable plant, not the cable itself.
Thoughts?
John
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On 6/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:xcssa-admin@xcssa.org">xcssa-admin@xcssa.org</a></b> <<a href="mailto:xcssa-admin@xcssa.org">xcssa-admin@xcssa.org</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> When you start paying $250<br>> to $750 per month for "T1 or better" service, a surprising
<br>> amount of bandwidth magically appears in you neighborhood.<br><br>I thought T1 was old telecom technology, 1.5 mbits/sec, not much<br>better than 128Kbytes/sec.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, but that is SYNCHRONOUS bandwidth. Often they also tie uptime SLAs to the "T1 or better" moniker.
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Last week, on my standard Road Runner service, I noticed I was<br>getting 800Kbytes/sec on a series of 30-150Mb downloads. Wouldn't
<br>that be equivalent to about 6 T1's? Last night, however, I was only<br>getting about 500Kbytes/sec. A slower computer maxes out at<br>128Kbytes/sec on the same line.</blockquote><div><br>I only get 1Mb upload on "Turbo RR" I have not found a better than 1Mb:XMb UP:DOWN provider that does not jump to "Business Class" or "T1-or-better" service levels. RR (and most other "Residential") is "Best Effort" service, no guarantees for uptime/performance.
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Because of high price for Road Runner I've been thinking of switching<br>to DSL which is advertised to be much cheaper, and it is said that
<br>DSL bandwidth is comparable to cable now.</blockquote><div><br>For the "Residential" user it looks like there is 768Kb : 6Mb "Elite" package. As I am a data producer as well as consumer, I need a much higher UL speed, and I am happy with any DL > 5Mb.
<br></div><br>Even their SMB DSL bandwidth rates are the same, just with higher price / higher SLA levels.<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Grande was out in my neighborhood apparently installing fiber last<br>year, but their packages look pretty similar to Time Warner, so I<br>don't see that it did performance-minded customers any good. I'm not<br>going to switch ISP to save $5, but I might do it to cut my bill in
<br>less than half. I'm also disinclined to bundle my phone service over<br>cable; I get about 3 cable outages every year,</blockquote><div><br>Lower SLA.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
but last phone outage that I know of was about 15 years ago.</blockquote><div><br>Hence Higher phone costs/fees/etc. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Current providers seem more<br>interested in bundling extra services I don't want than in giving me<br>high value internet bandwidth only.</blockquote><div><br>Yep. Most consumers do not see a real difference (hence pay for) in higher rate services, and do not have high upload throughput demands, where as there is demand for those services (TV/Phone/Cell) and the providers want that revenue.
<br><br>As a fellow exception (no demand for "Premium" TV or Local Phone) I feel your pain. The only "Better than T1" service I could get was RR Business class 2M:5M @ $290/mo. My T1 at work that does 13 Phone lines (12 PRI) /
1.5Mb = $650/mo. I think a "Full Span" T1 for data would run ~$375-400.<br><br>I would love FTTH or other "Light" solutions to my house, but I am not in a newer upscale neighborhood where the developer realized that cost for initial cable burial is roughly the same for COAX/TP as it is for Fiber, since labor is the expense in the cable plant, not the cable itself.
<br></div><br>Thoughts?<br>John<br></div><br>
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