[XCSSA] DarkFiber: U Already Paided 2.5 times, DarkFibre was: AT&T IPTV
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On 6/11/07, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org <xcssa-admin@xcssa.org> wrote:
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> On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:03 PM, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote:
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> On 6/11/07, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org <xcssa-admin@xcssa.org> wrote:
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> > > When you start paying $250
> > > to $750 per month for "T1 or better" service, a surprising
> > > amount of bandwidth magically appears in you neighborhood.
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> > I thought T1 was old telecom technology, 1.5 mbits/sec, not much
> > better than 128Kbytes/sec.
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> Yes, but that is SYNCHRONOUS bandwidth. Often they also tie uptime SLAs
> to the "T1 or better" moniker.
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> OK, I guess that certainly means a lot if you want outgoing "upload"
> bandwidth. I hadn't realized how limited residential service is in that
> regard.
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Most consumers don't care how fast they upload. I went round and round with
TWC/RR to even figure out what the upload speed cap was in the first place.
All of their scripts have 7Mb standard 10Mb turbo written all over them, but
I had to get escalated a couple times to get verification of upload cap.
Or am I still missing something?
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Nope, Download fast, upload slow.
Does "synchronous" mean they buffer if the backbone is tied up, or are you
> still at the mercy of the backbone and stuff beyond their control?
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What I mean by "synchronous" is that UP=DOWN, Production = consumption, Raw
bandwidth is capped equally both directions, etc. Note that nearly all
residential DSL is actually ADSL (as in async DSL) and sometimes one can get
SDSL, but I have not seen that marketed for a while.
A lot of times downloads are limited by the server anyway,
>
Agreed. Aggregate bandwidth (multiple users talking to multiple servers)
should be whatever the caps on the pipe are.
but I'd like to have the 600mbps download bandwidth Bruce is claiming. That
> is about 400 times what a T1 does.
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Me too! Bruce, can you please clarify your throughput numbers? Plus, how
does one ask for that speed through residential ADSL?
I will have to give them a ring to see what I can get, since the site "caps"
at about 768K/6M...
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<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:xcssa-admin@xcssa.org">xcssa-admin@xcssa.org</a></b> <<a href="mailto:xcssa-admin@xcssa.org">xcssa-admin@xcssa.org</a>> wrote:
</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><span class="q"><br><div><div>On Jun 11, 2007, at 5:03 PM, <a href="mailto:xcssa-admin@xcssa.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
xcssa-admin@xcssa.org</a> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite">On 6/11/07, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:xcssa-admin@xcssa.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">xcssa-admin@xcssa.org
</a></b> <<a href="mailto:xcssa-admin@xcssa.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">xcssa-admin@xcssa.org</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span> <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> When you start paying $250<br>> to $750 per month for "T1 or better" service, a surprising <br>> amount of bandwidth magically appears in you neighborhood.<br><br>I thought T1 was old telecom technology,
1.5 mbits/sec, not much<br>better than 128Kbytes/sec.</blockquote><div><br>Yes, but that is SYNCHRONOUS bandwidth. Often they also tie uptime SLAs to the "T1 or better" moniker. <br></div></div></blockquote><div>
<br></div><div><br></div></div></span>OK, I guess that certainly means a lot if you want outgoing "upload" bandwidth. I hadn't realized how limited residential service is in that regard.</div></blockquote><div>
<br>Most consumers don't care how fast they upload. I went round and round with TWC/RR to even figure out what the upload speed cap was in the first place. All of their scripts have 7Mb standard 10Mb turbo written all over them, but I had to get escalated a couple times to get verification of upload cap.
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div>Or am I still missing something?</div></div></blockquote><div>
<br>Nope, Download fast, upload slow. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div>Does "synchronous" mean they buffer if the backbone is tied up, or are you still at the mercy of the backbone and stuff beyond their control?
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>What I mean by "synchronous" is that UP=DOWN, Production = consumption, Raw bandwidth is capped equally both directions, etc. Note that nearly all residential DSL is actually ADSL (as in async DSL) and sometimes one can get SDSL, but I have not seen that marketed for a while.
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div style=""><div>A lot of times downloads are limited by the server anyway,
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Agreed. Aggregate bandwidth (multiple users talking to multiple servers) should be whatever the caps on the pipe are. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style=""><div>but I'd like to have the 600mbps download bandwidth Bruce is claiming. That is about 400 times what a T1 does.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Me too! Bruce, can you please clarify your throughput numbers? Plus, how does one ask for that speed through residential ADSL?
<br>I will have to give them a ring to see what I can get, since the site "caps" at about 768K/6M...<br></div></div>
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