[XCSSA] Cheaper solar power heads mainstream

Tue, 29 May 2007 16:50:07 -0500

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I suppose it's good that not all scientists agree.  If they all =20
agreed, we'd know they must all be wrong.  However, by far the =20
largest body of scientists and scientific organizations acknowledge =20
that the majority of the current global warming appears to =20
anthropogenic:

An increasing body of observations gives a collective picture of a =20
warming world and other changes in the climate system... There is new =20=

and stronger evidence that most of the warming observed over the last =20=

50 years is attributable to human activities".[

That's from the IPCC report in 2007.  Nearly every relevant =20
scientific organization endorses this view, as you can read at =20
Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

No evidence of "momentum shifting."  If anything, there is less =20
official controversy about the basic ideas of global warming than 15 =20
years ago.  There is more confirmatory evidence now, and nothing new =20
has arisen to significantly challege it.  The basic skeptical ideas =20
are pretty much the same now as 15 years ago.  Often times when =20
people are claimed to have changed their views, they haven't really =20
changed that much...current skeptics most often were skeptical before.

You can also read about global warming skeptics at Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/=20
Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warmi=20=

ng

The link you provided was hosted by a well known Republican senator =20
(Inhofe), and it led to lots of links to sources such as Forbes =20
magazine.  That publisher also has a well known political =20
background...such as running for President once and maybe again...  I =20=

didn't see any "new" evidence, simply a reciting of old arguments =20
that have been around for a long time.  The primary "evidence" is =20
simply a list of skeptics with impressive bios.  But you'd get an =20
even more impressive list on the other side.

I know of fellow leftists who also think global warming theory is a =20
conspiracy.  They see it as a conspiracy started by the Nuclear =20
industry, including Al Gore, who they describe as pro-Nuclear.  =20
(Meanwhile Gore is slammed by many pro-Nuclear folks for his =20
criticisms of nuclear power.)

Quite often enviromentalists cite the "precautionary" principle in =20
areas like this, even if the science were not "overwhelming" (though =20
in this case the evidence is arguably overwhelming anyway).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle

Charles

On May 27, 2007, at 11:13 PM, xcssa-admin@xcssa.org wrote:

> Hey Charles.. Here's that article I think I told you about =20
> reporting how
> scientists are starting to challenge the "human causality theory" =20
> of global
> warming.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/36jyvw
> "Climate Momentum Shifting: Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in =20
> Man-made
> Global Warming - Now Skeptics
> Growing Number of Scientists Convert to Skeptics After Reviewing =20
> New Research
> ...
> Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming have =20
> recently
> reversed themselves and are now climate skeptics.  The names =20
> included below
> are just a sampling of the prominent scientists who have spoken out =20=

> recently
> to oppose former Vice President Al Gore, the United Nations, and =20
> the media
> driven =93consensus=94 on man-made global warming.
> ..."
>

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<HTML><BODY style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; =
-khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">I suppose it's good that not all =
scientists agree.=A0 If they all agreed, we'd know they must all be =
wrong.=A0 However, by far the largest body of scientists and scientific =
organizations acknowledge that the majority of the current global =
warming appears to anthropogenic:<DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><FONT =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" size=3D"3"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
style=3D"font-size: 12.7px;"><I>An increasing body of observations gives =
a collective picture of a warming world and other changes in the climate =
system... There is new and stronger evidence that most of the warming =
observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human =
activities</I></SPAN></FONT><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
size=3D"3"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
12.7px;">".</SPAN></FONT><A =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#=
_note-IPCC_WG1"><FONT class=3D"Apple-style-span" color=3D"#002CB9" =
size=3D"3"><SPAN class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"font-size: =
10.6px;">[</SPAN></FONT></A></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>That's from the IPCC report =
in 2007.=A0 Nearly every relevant scientific organization endorses this =
view, as you can read at Wikipedia:</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><A =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change"=
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change</A></DI=
V><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>No evidence of =
"momentum shifting."=A0 If anything, there is less official controversy =
about the basic ideas of global warming than 15 years ago.=A0 There is =
more confirmatory evidence now, and nothing new has arisen to =
significantly challege it.=A0 The basic skeptical ideas are pretty much =
the same now as 15 years ago.=A0 Often times when people are claimed to =
have changed their views, they haven't really changed that =
much...current skeptics most often were skeptical before.</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>You can also read about =
global warming skeptics at Wikipedia:</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><A =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientists_opposing_the_mainstream_sc=
ientific_assessment_of_global_warming">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scient=
ists_opposing_the_mainstream_scientific_assessment_of_global_warming</A></=
DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The link you =
provided was hosted by a well known Republican senator (Inhofe), and =
it=A0led to lots of links to sources such as Forbes magazine.=A0 That =
publisher also has a well known political background...such as running =
for President once and maybe again...=A0 I didn't see any "new" =
evidence, simply a reciting of old arguments that have been around for a =
long time.=A0 The primary "evidence" is simply a list of skeptics with =
impressive bios.=A0 But you'd get an even more impressive list on the =
other side.</DIV><DIV><BR class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I =
know of fellow leftists who also think global warming theory is a =
conspiracy.=A0 They see it as a conspiracy started by the Nuclear =
industry, including Al Gore, who they describe as pro-Nuclear.=A0 =
(Meanwhile Gore is slammed by many pro-Nuclear folks for his criticisms =
of nuclear power.)</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Quite often =
enviromentalists cite the "precautionary" principle in areas like this, =
even if the science were not "overwhelming" (though in this case the =
evidence is arguably overwhelming anyway).</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><A =
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle">http://en.wi=
kipedia.org/wiki/Precautionary_principle</A></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Charles</DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR =
class=3D"khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On May 27, =
2007, at 11:13 PM, <A =
href=3D"mailto:xcssa-admin@xcssa.org">xcssa-admin@xcssa.org</A> =
wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
type=3D"cite"><P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Hey =
Charles.. Here's that article I think I told you about reporting =
how<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></FONT></P> <P =
style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">scientists are starting to =
challenge the "human causality theory" of global<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: =
0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">warming.</FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: =
0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; min-height: =
14.0px"><BR></P> <P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica"><A =
href=3D"http://tinyurl.com/36jyvw">http://tinyurl.com/36jyvw</A></FONT></P=
> <P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">"Climate Momentum Shifting: =
Prominent Scientists Reverse Belief in Man-made<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: =
0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Global Warming - Now =
Skeptics</FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">Growing =
Number of Scientists Convert to Skeptics After Reviewing New =
Research</FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT =
face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">...</FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px =
0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px =
Helvetica">Many former believers in catastrophic man-made global warming =
have recently<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></FONT></P> =
<P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">reversed themselves and are =
now climate skeptics.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0 =
</SPAN>The names included below<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: =
0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">are just a sampling of the prominent =
scientists who have spoken out recently<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: =
0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">to oppose former Vice President Al =
Gore, the United Nations, and the media<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></FONT></P> <P style=3D"margin: =
0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" size=3D"3" =
style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">driven =93consensus=94 on man-made =
global warming.<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></FONT></P>=
 <P style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px"><FONT face=3D"Helvetica" =
size=3D"3" style=3D"font: 12.0px Helvetica">..."</FONT></P> <P =
style=3D"margin: 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px 0.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica; =
min-height: 14.0px"><BR></P> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></DIV></BODY></HTML>=

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